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Post by aricpelt on Nov 6, 2015 16:28:54 GMT
There have been fatalities at Martinsville... Most notably, Hall of Famer Richie Evans...
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Post by tombo on Nov 6, 2015 16:48:15 GMT
There have been fatalities at Martinsville... Most notably, Hall of Famer Richie Evans... that's is right I forgot about that but he died like dale from a head whip.and another guy died there too in the 80's throttle stuck. now days these drivers are very safe in these cars and with all the safe walls.
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Post by aricpelt on Nov 6, 2015 17:03:37 GMT
Obviously Martinsville is the slowest track on the schedule and therefore provides the least risk of serious injury/death, but we have to remember, they are still running speeds close to 100MPH coming into the corners... That's not a "Sunday Drive" by any stretch. The risk of death/injury is still there.
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Post by NateDoggg on Nov 6, 2015 20:08:46 GMT
To weigh in on this debate...I do not blame Kenseth for what he did. From the Kansas wreck, to the brake-check at Talladega, to the nonsense games the 2-22 were playing at the front of the field at Martinsville which imo led directly to Kenseth getting wrecked in that race. So, I actually had no problem with what he did because, at that point, he likely felt like he had been their punching bag for 3 straight weeks and he had to stand up for himself. On the flip side, I do not blame JL for what he did at Kansas. Kenseth was clearly blocking him - multiple times, and even ran him up the track to do so. At some point, you can't keep blocking. I do, however, think Joey could have tried a little longer to pass him cleanly - but I can't argue that his move wasn't legitimate. Ironically, isn't that the same thing that Kevin did to Joey at Pocono a few years back when Logano and his dad got their collective panties in a wad? Logano repeated chopped the fender of the 29 and Kevin finally had enough and dumped him from what I recall. It's kind of funny that now it's a "racing deal" but back then it was "dirty" from the perspective of the Loganos. ME - I've always thought that if you block, you do so at your own risk - I just don't like hypocrites and that is what Logano is in this case imo. So, I guess I'm not 100% on anyone's side. Both have good arguments to make, and both also have holes in their arguments. Regardless, I'm happy it happened because I do not like Logano one bit  |
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Post by anotherharvickfan on Nov 6, 2015 20:46:10 GMT
if nascar thinks 2 race suspension for purposely wrecking other drivers is fair than kyle busch should be sitting out until 2018.... This is above and beyond purposely wrecking a driver, it's coming out 10 laps down, slowing down and waiting, then punting and pushing not only the race leader, but chase contender out of the race. Effectively outing him in a must win situation. NASCAR has said all along to let the championship play out naturally. Matt didn't allow that to happen, he took it in to his own hands. Early in the race as soon as he got to the 20 the first first chance he got he hit him and moved him up the track. He didn't even try to pass him clean. The 22 did not retaliate and went on his way. Once Matt got caught up in his deal and his race was over he was on a mission to end the 22s day and chase hopes. It was pre meditated and there is no place for that in this sport. Race him hard, hold him up. Rub fenders. But you can't come out 10 laps down and run I'm over. He got what he deserved. The sad part is he isn't even man enough to admit what he did, he Comes on the radeo and heed he had a flat then went on tv and said it got on the splitter and wouldn't turn. Well the video proof both of those wrong. the only reason That car didn't turn was because he didn't turn the stering wheel sorry, you contradicted yourself just like NASCAR. "Let it play out naturally", or if you're already into the next round, have a faster car, enough laps left to pass clean but screw it, wreck the leader anyway. Sound familiar. Kansas!!! |
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Post by anotherharvickfan on Nov 6, 2015 21:05:03 GMT
kenseth did what any driver with balls and pride would and should do.a coward would have never done anything and I believed that was what kenseth was before but after he did this it shows hes not afraid of jokey,nascar or anybody. logano 100% wrecked kenseth not just for the win but to take kenseth out of the chase. id expect kevin to do the same if it happens to him ever. they were at Martinsville with 0% chance of anyone getting killed,let alone killed again.i don't recall anyone being killed as a result of payback but I could be wrong. i don't know what world you live in but to say there is a 0% chance of getting killed may be the most ridiculous thing I have heard. when you wreck at Martinsville your hitting at sever angles, there have been more cars scraped from Martinsville than most big tracks. And don't say the man had balls, he was 10 laps down, then he made and still is making excuses as to what happened. If he is man enough to do it, than man up and admit it. But he didn't do it because he knew he was going to have a big penalty coming. So don't talk about him having big balls. At least DP was big enough to admit she went after DG. At the end of the day even Dale Earnhardt knew he wasn't bigger than the sport. This isn't Days of Thunder, this is NASCARS sand box and all the drivers know you don't come out 10 laps down and take some one out....even Dale Earnhardt knew that. You make there lives miserable, run on his bumper for 20 laps, hold him up, screw him on pit road. To all, a 0% chance on getting killed obvious isn't right and we all know that. ACCIDENTS happen, Tony Roper, Adam Petty. They also happen from blocking, Dale Earnhardt, Carl Edwards (obvious lived), but the Dega race about 5 yrs ago when he tried to block Keslowski and spun himself into Newman which through himself into the fence. Yet 3 or 4 weeks later at Atlanta, a track where you're going 190+, he purposely punts Keslowski into the fence. A lot might thing the same thing, but IMO there is a difference punting someone at Martinsville to Atlanta. Edwards only got a suspension if my memory is correct. |
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Post by jeremy on Nov 6, 2015 22:52:02 GMT
And KB was parked. None of those instances invoked end that championship contender and likely race winner. And like I said above. After the MWR incident NASCAR has stressed on letting the championship play out naturally. This incident has its own circumstances
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Post by tombo on Nov 7, 2015 18:57:41 GMT
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Post by tombo on Nov 9, 2015 3:48:18 GMT
Johnson was in the same position as logano at Kansas but passed keselowski with no "quicential" racing incident..
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Post by aricpelt on Nov 9, 2015 12:43:54 GMT
Johnson was in the same position as logano at Kansas but passed keselowski with no "quicential" racing incident.. Huge difference... Brad moved out of the way... He didn't swerve across the track like a drunken buffoon when the car behind him was moving 10+MPH faster than him... |
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Post by anotherharvickfan on Nov 9, 2015 23:29:47 GMT
Yeah but brad did try and mirror look at which line jj was possibly going to run, (like all drivers should) for about 3-4 laps. And unlike kansas, Joey may have been 10 miles an hr faster, when he caught up to him, but not for those last 3-4 laps when he never fell back more than a couple of car lengths from matt, jj kept falling back 2,3 & 4 car lengths from brad and made time up going in the turns.
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Post by aricpelt on Nov 10, 2015 13:31:50 GMT
From Apron to into the Wall and Halfway back down the track... all in under 7 seconds...
Anyone that says Joey "ran out of talent" and that's what caused him to spin Matt is instantly discredited for showing preconceived prejudice as far as I'm concerned. If you went into that with an open mind you'd see the only thing he didn't do was slam on the brakes and spin himself out to avoid contact... Of course, reading everyone's reaction to it, it seems that is what was expected of him...
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Post by aricpelt on Nov 10, 2015 13:33:21 GMT
Yeah but brad did try and mirror look at which line jj was possibly going to run, (like all drivers should) for about 3-4 laps. And unlike kansas, Joey may have been 10 miles an hr faster, when he caught up to him, but not for those last 3-4 laps when he never fell back more than a couple of car lengths from matt, jj kept falling back 2,3 & 4 car lengths from brad and made time up going in the turns. Brad tried to take the air off the car, not block... He would move up into the line (with JJ still a car length or two behind) for a brief second and then back down the track... that's a different scenario... |
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Post by jake on Nov 10, 2015 16:17:57 GMT
From Apron to into the Wall and Halfway back down the track... all in under 7 seconds... Anyone that says Joey "ran out of talent" and that's what caused him to spin Matt is instantly discredited for showing preconceived prejudice as far as I'm concerned. If you went into that with an open mind you'd see the only thing he didn't do was slam on the brakes and spin himself out to avoid contact... Of course, reading everyone's reaction to it, it seems that is what was expected of him... you're super, super delusional. Joey drove into turn 1 wide open, through the 20's left rear, intentionally dumping him. Period. Matt had NO CHOICE but to block - his entire season was on the line. |
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Post by aricpelt on Nov 10, 2015 17:01:13 GMT
I agree he had no choice but to block... but when you jump in front of a locomotive, don't be surprised when your ass gets run over...
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