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Post by igothud on Feb 24, 2017 17:57:58 GMT
Blocking! Love it or hate it?
Personally, I hate it... need to ditch or limit the mirrors on the cup cars!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 18:59:29 GMT
Blocking! Love it or hate it? Personally, I hate it... need to ditch or limit the mirrors on the cup cars! I have mixed feelings about it. I'm all for doing whatever you have to do to win a race (within reason). Blocking is a part of plate racing and something that you have to do to win a race at Daytona or Talladega. It's always been that way. Now, with that being said, I wish that the leader didn't have such an advantage with blocking, or working both lanes. It's very easy for the lead car to make the trailing car in either lane stall out because of the bubble of air inbetween the cars. I think if they made the cars have a little more drag via a taller spoiler, maybe even a roof wicker and spoiler lip like we saw in the early 2000s, the leader wouldn't be able to block those runs as easily because the trailing car's momentum wouldn't be stopped as efficiently as it is now. I don't care what driver it is - whether it's one that I love or absolutely hate, they have to block to try to win the race. It really doesn't bother me. |
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Post by russellb on Feb 24, 2017 20:30:00 GMT
I know some get up tight when I say "dump them". If you block a few times ok but if they are persistent I say DUMP THEM! They asked for it.
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Post by cakid4 on Feb 24, 2017 20:31:26 GMT
Blocking! Love it or hate it? Personally, I hate it... need to ditch or limit the mirrors on the cup cars! I have mixed feelings about it. I'm all for doing whatever you have to do to win a race (within reason). Blocking is a part of plate racing and something that you have to do to win a race at Daytona or Talladega. It's always been that way. Now, with that being said, I wish that the leader didn't have such an advantage with blocking, or working both lanes. It's very easy for the lead car to make the trailing car in either lane stall out because of the bubble of air inbetween the cars. I think if they made the cars have a little more drag via a taller spoiler, maybe even a roof wicker and spoiler lip like we saw in the early 2000s, the leader wouldn't be able to block those runs as easily because the trailing car's momentum wouldn't be stopped as efficiently as it is now. I don't care what driver it is - whether it's one that I love or absolutely hate, they have to block to try to win the race. It really doesn't bother me. You pretty much nailed it bday, my problem isn't with the blocking. If you can react in time to throw the block then good for you. But like we saw in the Clash with Hamlin, you better expect to be wrecked if you throw the block too late. Thats the risk you take. My problem is the aero package that doesn't allow for the big run from the cars behind. The leader can change lanes three times on the backstraight right now and it doesn't slow them down enough to give a big run to the guys behind them. This package is just bad. I was a big fan of tandem racing, which allowed for those huge runs. Like you said, the 2001 package would make more sense, especially paired with the boxier cars of today. |
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Post by jumbercable4 on Feb 24, 2017 22:18:46 GMT
Every team is here to win the race so why would go not block? It's Exciting to me and part of racing. Blocking is not the issue here it's the cars in the draft. The way they are designed now gives the leaders an advantage. Give a little of the power back and it will create bigger runs on the car in front will fix the issue. Letting someone go by is not racing and would start a whole new argument people will rant about.
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Post by igothud on Feb 24, 2017 22:58:21 GMT
Blocking! Love it or hate it? Personally, I hate it... need to ditch or limit the mirrors on the cup cars! I have mixed feelings about it. I'm all for doing whatever you have to do to win a race (within reason). Blocking is a part of plate racing and something that you have to do to win a race at Daytona or Talladega. It's always been that way. Now, with that being said, I wish that the leader didn't have such an advantage with blocking, or working both lanes. It's very easy for the lead car to make the trailing car in either lane stall out because of the bubble of air inbetween the cars. I think if they made the cars have a little more drag via a taller spoiler, maybe even a roof wicker and spoiler lip like we saw in the early 2000s, the leader wouldn't be able to block those runs as easily because the trailing car's momentum wouldn't be stopped as efficiently as it is now. I don't care what driver it is - whether it's one that I love or absolutely hate, they have to block to try to win the race. It really doesn't bother me. I agree... the leader has too much of an advantage with blocking. Be interesting to see how that flies in the 500... I guess the drivers could always police it themselves! A few more wrecks like Denny did in the Clash and then they'll have to weigh the risk versus reward. |
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Post by igothud on Feb 24, 2017 23:26:59 GMT
I know some get up tight when I say "dump them". If you block a few times ok but if they are persistent I say DUMP THEM! They asked for it. I get it... Like Joey did to Kenseth... right or wrong... Joey felt he was blocked one to many times! Problem, on a plate track, is the carnage that would result when the leader is punted into the wall. If Denny does his Clash wreck in the 500 he collects a bunch of cars! On a plate track, I don't see an effective counter to the leader blocking ... and don't get me wrong. As it is right now. If Kevin is leading, I would want him block. Its the only way you can win at a plate track. |
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Post by russellb on Feb 25, 2017 0:58:53 GMT
Need a third category in the poll for blocking is ok until someone gets tired of you cutting them off.
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Post by jumbercable4 on Feb 25, 2017 2:21:01 GMT
I have mixed feelings about it. I'm all for doing whatever you have to do to win a race (within reason). Blocking is a part of plate racing and something that you have to do to win a race at Daytona or Talladega. It's always been that way. Now, with that being said, I wish that the leader didn't have such an advantage with blocking, or working both lanes. It's very easy for the lead car to make the trailing car in either lane stall out because of the bubble of air inbetween the cars. I think if they made the cars have a little more drag via a taller spoiler, maybe even a roof wicker and spoiler lip like we saw in the early 2000s, the leader wouldn't be able to block those runs as easily because the trailing car's momentum wouldn't be stopped as efficiently as it is now. I don't care what driver it is - whether it's one that I love or absolutely hate, they have to block to try to win the race. It really doesn't bother me. I agree... the leader has too much of an advantage with blocking. Be interesting to see how that flies in the 500... I guess the drivers could always police it themselves! A few more wrecks like Denny did in the Clash and then they'll have to weigh the risk versus reward. [ If the leader has to much advantage by blocking then why be the leader? I guess we can let the drivers decide who wins or let Nascar make a rule the leader must run the bottom or come up with another gimmick people can complain about. Come on this is a joke. |
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Post by jumbercable4 on Feb 25, 2017 2:28:36 GMT
If anyone is watching the truck race tonight you can SEE CLEARLY blocking is not an issue. The trucks can push and shove and create runs to pass. They don't have time to block because of the speed difference which goes back to the other issue and that is the cup car and the way it drafts. Blocking is not the problem. If you can get a run you can pass period.
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Post by anotherharvickfan on Feb 25, 2017 3:17:49 GMT
Blocking! Love it or hate it? Personally, I hate it... need to ditch or limit the mirrors on the cup cars! I have mixed feelings about it. I'm all for doing whatever you have to do to win a race (within reason). Blocking is a part of plate racing and something that you have to do to win a race at Daytona or Talladega. It's always been that way. Now, with that being said, I wish that the leader didn't have such an advantage with blocking, or working both lanes. It's very easy for the lead car to make the trailing car in either lane stall out because of the bubble of air inbetween the cars. I think if they made the cars have a little more drag via a taller spoiler, maybe even a roof wicker and spoiler lip like we saw in the early 2000s, the leader wouldn't be able to block those runs as easily because the trailing car's momentum wouldn't be stopped as efficiently as it is now. I don't care what driver it is - whether it's one that I love or absolutely hate, they have to block to try to win the race. It really doesn't bother me. don't do that wicker strip again, that was terrible racing with 40 cars in a single line. I believe something needs to be done, but please not that. |
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Post by anotherharvickfan on Feb 25, 2017 3:29:53 GMT
I know some get up tight when I say "dump them". If you block a few times ok but if they are persistent I say DUMP THEM! They asked for it. I get it... Like Joey did to Kenseth... right or wrong... Joey felt he was blocked one to many times! Problem, on a plate track, is the carnage that would result when the leader is punted into the wall. If Denny does his Clash wreck in the 500 he collects a bunch of cars! On a plate track, I don't see an effective counter to the leader blocking ... and don't get me wrong. As it is right now. If Kevin is leading, I would want him block. Its the only way you can win at a plate track. Kenseth was blocking that race, yes, but not when Joey moved down and caught kenseths rear bumper. I replayed that a dozen times, and it's why Kenseth got mad at NASCAR for not doing something about it, Joey dumpt him, period, and tried to blame it on Kenseth. Even the fans seen that. so Kenseth retaliated at martinsville. Blocking is blocking your right there, but if you are, and someone does get inside or outside your bumper even by on inch, and you still move down and spin yourself out, then that's just that, you've spun your self out. That's not the other cars fault for having your line. |
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Post by jumbercable4 on Feb 25, 2017 3:40:00 GMT
I have mixed feelings about it. I'm all for doing whatever you have to do to win a race (within reason). Blocking is a part of plate racing and something that you have to do to win a race at Daytona or Talladega. It's always been that way. Now, with that being said, I wish that the leader didn't have such an advantage with blocking, or working both lanes. It's very easy for the lead car to make the trailing car in either lane stall out because of the bubble of air inbetween the cars. I think if they made the cars have a little more drag via a taller spoiler, maybe even a roof wicker and spoiler lip like we saw in the early 2000s, the leader wouldn't be able to block those runs as easily because the trailing car's momentum wouldn't be stopped as efficiently as it is now. I don't care what driver it is - whether it's one that I love or absolutely hate, they have to block to try to win the race. It really doesn't bother me. don't do that wicker strip again, that was terrible racing with 40 cars in a single line. I believe something needs to be done, but please not that. Agreed 100%. Take a look at the trucks sat the plate tracks if you want to actually fix the problem. That was a hell of a race and blocking was not an issue. |
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Post by nodak on Feb 25, 2017 18:40:16 GMT
I think blocking is fine. It's when the lead guy wrecks the whole field and says "it's the Daytona 500, of course I'm gonna do what I have to to win". The crap that the 11 did in the clash and Stewart did it a few years ago in corner 4 is what I hate. They act like it's fine to cause the big one because it's for the win. I'm very critical of Harvick because he's not a great mirror driver or side drafter. There are some great mirror drivers out there and he isn't in the top 10 if you ask me. Now if your looking for a pusher, get Harvick on your bumper. Not many guys have pushed as well as Harvick through the years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 19:21:12 GMT
I have mixed feelings about it. I'm all for doing whatever you have to do to win a race (within reason). Blocking is a part of plate racing and something that you have to do to win a race at Daytona or Talladega. It's always been that way. Now, with that being said, I wish that the leader didn't have such an advantage with blocking, or working both lanes. It's very easy for the lead car to make the trailing car in either lane stall out because of the bubble of air inbetween the cars. I think if they made the cars have a little more drag via a taller spoiler, maybe even a roof wicker and spoiler lip like we saw in the early 2000s, the leader wouldn't be able to block those runs as easily because the trailing car's momentum wouldn't be stopped as efficiently as it is now. I don't care what driver it is - whether it's one that I love or absolutely hate, they have to block to try to win the race. It really doesn't bother me. don't do that wicker strip again, that was terrible racing with 40 cars in a single line. I believe something needs to be done, but please not that. Are we talking about the same package here? I'm talking about the one that averaged 40+ lead changes among 20+ different drivers. The package that produced the Best Daytona 500 I've ever seen (excluding Big E's death). The one where we had a caution free race at Talladega with 40 lead changes and 30 cars coming to the line 4 and 5 wide, with a last lap pass for the win. Still to this day, my Dad says the fall race at Talladega in 2000 was the best race he's ever seen, which was the first race for that package. Guys could get runs, make moves, and even if they were 3x3, the lines could still get runs and make a run towards the front instead of stalling out because the lead car moves in front of it. |
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