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william4
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This was the nail in the coffin for me Nov 17, 2019 23:52:17 GMT

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Post by william4 on Nov 17, 2019 23:52:17 GMT

When Kyle Busch wins two championships you know it's over. It was horrible when he won the year he wasn't supposed to win.

Truth of the matter is Kevin cannot beat the JGR pressure when it really matters. This has been going on for a while now. Kevin's racing with guys 5-10 years younger than him.

I got over Nascar sometime in 2012 because I knew then that RCR was just not gonna compete strong enough with Hendrick and I saw the future being just about what it is now--a bunch of unlikable contenders. Boy, when Harvick finally gets to SHR, here comes JGR within two years. I was already past racing by this point. If you told me nowadays if I wished RCR made it work in the early 00s, I would absolutely say yes. At least I could respect the quality then. It's just too damn bad RCR couldn't compete during those golden years. Kevin finally gets his break at the wrong time. He's the old guy of the elite bunch.

After KB wins a second title, I don't have any intention of even checking in now to see if Kevin won any races or not. This was it. This is not a respectable motorsport anymore. I'm always a fan, but I don't have to follow.

igothud
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This was the nail in the coffin for me Nov 18, 2019 1:33:20 GMT

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Post by igothud on Nov 18, 2019 1:33:20 GMT

NASCAR is going to have some rough years ahead... A lot of massive miss steps that seemed to be financially motivated. And plenty of things that were out NASCARs control.

Here are some of those miss-steps, I feel that have hurt in the long run...
+ D shaped ovals (Increased seating capacity … more $$$)
+ Car of tomorrow and that wing! (Trying to be too euro)
+ HD / reduced HP (Cars are supposed to be hard to drive.. might as well paint the racing line on the track!
+ Playoff style season finally (caters to you millennials but disregards the core fan)
+ Progressive banked tracks (Name a track that it actually helped! Pretty much ruined Bristol)
+ PJ1 to fixed the poor quality of racing (again name a track that it actually helped)
+ Here is a tough one... Losing to many fan favs (Dale Jr /Tony /Kenseth) and Jimmy not running well
+ Ford, Chevy and Dodge going bankrupt and losing Dodge
+ Another tough one... Toyota becoming a major financial power in NASCAR. Everyone said they would when they started.
    + Some argue that NASCAR has be pandering to Toyota with rule changes... Drop in HP
    + I'd say the High Downforce package was also pushed heavily by Toyota
    + Move of the Title race to Phoenix... favoring the Toyota strengths

+ I' sure that there a more but it all points to a lot of poor miss steps.

As attendance falls and those huge D shaped ovals can not support the lack of attendance, I see NASCAR moving back to the smaller tracks. Back to its roots. And then it will self balance … Racing will be better and the true race fans will return.

Last Edit: Nov 18, 2019 1:40:27 GMT by igothud

justin4
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This was the nail in the coffin for me Nov 18, 2019 2:17:10 GMT via mobile

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Post by justin4 on Nov 18, 2019 2:17:10 GMT

Nov 18, 2019 1:33:20 GMT igothud said:

NASCAR is going to have some rough years ahead... A lot of massive miss steps that seemed to be financially motivated. And plenty of things that were out NASCARs control.

Here are some of those miss-steps, I feel that have hurt in the long run...
+ D shaped ovals (Increased seating capacity … more $$$)
+ Car of tomorrow and that wing! (Trying to be too euro)
+ HD / reduced HP (Cars are supposed to be hard to drive.. might as well paint the racing line on the track!
+ Playoff style season finally (caters to you millennials but disregards the core fan)
+ Progressive banked tracks (Name a track that it actually helped! Pretty much ruined Bristol)
+ PJ1 to fixed the poor quality of racing (again name a track that it actually helped)
+ Here is a tough one... Losing to many fan favs (Dale Jr /Tony /Kenseth) and Jimmy not running well
+ Ford, Chevy and Dodge going bankrupt and losing Dodge
+ Another tough one... Toyota becoming a major financial power in NASCAR. Everyone said they would when they started.
    + Some argue that NASCAR has be pandering to Toyota with rule changes... Drop in HP
    + I'd say the High Downforce package was also pushed heavily by Toyota
    + Move of the Title race to Phoenix... favoring the Toyota strengths

+ I' sure that there a more but it all points to a lot of poor miss steps.

As attendance falls and those huge D shaped ovals can not support the lack of attendance, I see NASCAR moving back to the smaller tracks. Back to its roots. And then it will self balance … Racing will be better and the true race fans will return.

I’ll add that pushing races later and later (3pm races even on the east coast) has kept me from watching a lot

jake Full Member Posts: 129	This was the nail in the coffin for me Nov 18, 2019 2:31:36 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jake on Nov 18, 2019 2:31:36 GMT If the best driver in Nascar winning championships has you turning off the series, you were never a fan to begin with

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This was the nail in the coffin for me Nov 18, 2019 15:30:10 GMT Salma likes this

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Post by rameye on Nov 18, 2019 15:30:10 GMT

Nobody hates Kyle more than me ( maybe tombo) ...its personal because of something he said directly to me unprovoked... just a dick .. never had a driver do that before, I'm very respectful of there space etc.

That being said, as much of a dick as he is, he can race, and race well.

I'm not giving up or walking away (like I did with my Jets season tickets--(it was getting silly to pay for 75 dollar seats that were selling for 12 bucks on stub hub!), I will still enjoy my sport. Im goin to Dega in the spring.

I like racing action and frequent my quarter mile home tracks

I hope to see you all in February.

This was the nail in the coffin for me

Post by william4 on Nov 17, 2019 23:52:17 GMT

Post by igothud on Nov 18, 2019 1:33:20 GMT

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Post by jake on Nov 18, 2019 2:31:36 GMT

Post by rameye on Nov 18, 2019 15:30:10 GMT

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