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Post by fanof4 on Sept 13, 2018 17:34:08 GMT
Something to think about:
When it comes to strategy: Is Rodney's perceived incompetence in this area exaggerated because the 4 is normally the car to beat each week? The majority of the time, everyone else dictates their calls based on trying to beat the fastest car. When you're the fastest car, everyone behind you is going to do the opposite of what you do when given the opportunity.
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Post by anotherharvickfan on Sept 23, 2018 3:37:09 GMT
Can't win em all.
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Post by justin4 on Oct 9, 2018 8:21:05 GMT
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Post by NateDoggg on Oct 9, 2018 20:39:24 GMT
Well I'm working nightshift this month and am bored on my night off. Just watched the Dover race and this seemed productive lol I'm sure Rodney had some sort of nonsensical excuse again. But y'all know where I stand on this issue. Here's a quote from an article this week. On NASCAR America, Jeff Burton and Kyle Petty discussed SHR’s path through the rest of Round of 12, specifically with Harvick’s team on pit road. “They’ve got to get this fixed,” Burton said. “It’s not an easy fix. … As these playoffs move on, these type of things will keep you from winning a championship. Because they ran so well, they actually earned the most amount of points. … That’s what running well can do for you today.” |
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Post by justin4 on Oct 10, 2018 0:55:36 GMT
Well I'm working nightshift this month and am bored on my night off. Just watched the Dover race and this seemed productive lol I'm sure Rodney had some sort of nonsensical excuse again. But y'all know where I stand on this issue. Here's a quote from an article this week. On NASCAR America, Jeff Burton and Kyle Petty discussed SHR’s path through the rest of Round of 12, specifically with Harvick’s team on pit road. “They’ve got to get this fixed,” Burton said. “It’s not an easy fix. … As these playoffs move on, these type of things will keep you from winning a championship. Because they ran so well, they actually earned the most amount of points. … That’s what running well can do for you today.” I saw dale jarrett and kyle petty talking about this too. They said when the jackman lowered the car, the motion of the tire changer hitting the lug nuts caused the air gun to hit the valve stem (valve stem dropped down in front of the air gun when the car lowered and the air gun was moving toward the lug nut.) They called it "bad luck." I don't think that's bad luck. It's really on the jack man for lowering the car before the tire changer was done...AND if the rear tire changer had been faster (on pace with the front tire changer), it probably wouldn't have been an issue. In short, if the pit crew was coordinated and performing at a top level, the valve stem wouldn't have gotten knocked off. |
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Post by NateDoggg on Oct 10, 2018 15:56:41 GMT
I'm sure Rodney had some sort of nonsensical excuse again. But y'all know where I stand on this issue. Here's a quote from an article this week. On NASCAR America, Jeff Burton and Kyle Petty discussed SHR’s path through the rest of Round of 12, specifically with Harvick’s team on pit road. “They’ve got to get this fixed,” Burton said. “It’s not an easy fix. … As these playoffs move on, these type of things will keep you from winning a championship. Because they ran so well, they actually earned the most amount of points. … That’s what running well can do for you today.” I saw dale jarrett and kyle petty talking about this too. They said when the jackman lowered the car, the motion of the tire changer hitting the lug nuts caused the air gun to hit the valve stem (valve stem dropped down in front of the air gun when the car lowered and the air gun was moving toward the lug nut.) They called it "bad luck." I don't think that's bad luck. It's really on the jack man for lowering the car before the tire changer was done...AND if the rear tire changer had been faster (on pace with the front tire changer), it probably wouldn't have been an issue. In short, if the pit crew was coordinated and performing at a top level, the valve stem wouldn't have gotten knocked off. Yeah "bad luck" is a loser's mantra. There are instances of bad luck - like having a piece fall off the car in front of you and punch through your radiator or something like that. But the vast majority of "bad luck" is self-made. As you point out, a well coordinated stop would not have resulted in the valve stem being knocked off - that is something 100% within control of the pit crew. Getting in a wreck deep in the field because of a bad stop or pit violation isn't "bad luck" either because you put yourself back there with your incompetence. Point being, there isn't some "black cloud of bad luck" hanging over this pit crew like Rodney would like everyone to believe. They just aren't very good. It's shown time and time again. On their BEST, they are a 13.2 - that's when everything goes perfectly. And that's still a half-second slower than the better pit crews out there. So, it's either: 1) The personnel just isn't very good, in which case you need new personnel; 2) The pit crew coach(es) isn't good enough training and molding these guys into effective pit crew members; 3) Rodney isn't very good holding these guy accountable or with his vision of technique/coordination regarding how pit stops are done. It could be a combination of more than 1 of these. But the result is going to be the same - this pit crew is far below the standard for a playoff (not to mention championship-caliber) team. And I stand by my prediction that we won't win the Championship because of this pit crew. Hell, we had the field covered by 5 seconds or more in Sunday's race. And the pit crew screwed up so badly, we didn't even finish top 5. That's pretty remarkable. It's rare you even get a car so dominant that nobody can touch you. It's even more rare that you not only lose the race with such a car, but don't even finish top 5 without a mechanical/tire breakdown or getting involved in an accident. There's little to no chance we will have a car at Homestead that is THAT dominant - so we will need PERFECT (for this team) pit stops ALL RACE, which is 13-14 second range with no loose lugs or any other mistakes, for us to have a chance to win. Based on the empirical evidence from this year, I have a hard time believing that is possible with this crew. |
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Post by fanof4 on Oct 10, 2018 17:54:47 GMT
I saw dale jarrett and kyle petty talking about this too. They said when the jackman lowered the car, the motion of the tire changer hitting the lug nuts caused the air gun to hit the valve stem (valve stem dropped down in front of the air gun when the car lowered and the air gun was moving toward the lug nut.) They called it "bad luck." I don't think that's bad luck. It's really on the jack man for lowering the car before the tire changer was done...AND if the rear tire changer had been faster (on pace with the front tire changer), it probably wouldn't have been an issue. In short, if the pit crew was coordinated and performing at a top level, the valve stem wouldn't have gotten knocked off. Yeah "bad luck" is a loser's mantra. There are instances of bad luck - like having a piece fall off the car in front of you and punch through your radiator or something like that. But the vast majority of "bad luck" is self-made. As you point out, a well coordinated stop would not have resulted in the valve stem being knocked off - that is something 100% within control of the pit crew. Getting in a wreck deep in the field because of a bad stop or pit violation isn't "bad luck" either because you put yourself back there with your incompetence. Point being, there isn't some "black cloud of bad luck" hanging over this pit crew like Rodney would like everyone to believe. They just aren't very good. It's shown time and time again. On their BEST, they are a 13.2 - that's when everything goes perfectly. And that's still a half-second slower than the better pit crews out there. So, it's either: 1) The personnel just isn't very good, in which case you need new personnel; 2) The pit crew coach(es) isn't good enough training and molding these guys into effective pit crew members; 3) Rodney isn't very good holding these guy accountable or with his vision of technique/coordination regarding how pit stops are done. It could be a combination of more than 1 of these. But the result is going to be the same - this pit crew is far below the standard for a playoff (not to mention championship-caliber) team. And I stand by my prediction that we won't win the Championship because of this pit crew. Hell, we had the field covered by 5 seconds or more in Sunday's race. And the pit crew screwed up so badly, we didn't even finish top 5. That's pretty remarkable. It's rare you even get a car so dominant that nobody can touch you. It's even more rare that you not only lose the race with such a car, but don't even finish top 5 without a mechanical/tire breakdown or getting involved in an accident. There's little to no chance we will have a car at Homestead that is THAT dominant - so we will need PERFECT (for this team) pit stops ALL RACE, which is 13-14 second range with no loose lugs or any other mistakes, for us to have a chance to win. Based on the empirical evidence from this year, I have a hard time believing that is possible with this crew. I'm not discounting your comments or opinions, and you are right. However, the optimist in me says that we went through the same in 2014, and still won the championship. Granted, there's no room for complacency or lack of urgency in fixing a known issue, but other teams have these issues too. Maybe not as frequent as the 4, but those teams are not perfect either. I'm interested to see how it all plays out. |
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Post by tombo on Oct 10, 2018 18:56:32 GMT
like I said the other day,this was like win #17 for the year if things went right..
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Post by tombo on Oct 11, 2018 15:33:15 GMT
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