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Post by NateDoggg on Jun 4, 2018 2:08:28 GMT
They simply aren't good enough. Every race it's the same thing. They were better overall today, but they still had one crappy pit stop where a 4 second lead became 1 second. Then the last stop - it wasn't bad, but it wasn't as good as the 18 or other cars that he barely beat out. Kevin has the best cars. He is the best driver. He has the best crew chief as far as setting up cars. But, when it comes down to 1 race at the end when the 4, 18, and 78 are all pretty close, I don't see any way the 4 wins with this pit crew, unless we get lucky and have a long green run until the end. Honestly, yes we've won a bunch of races this year. And winning those races wasn't luck - we usually had the best car. HOWEVER, in those races that we've won, we have been very fortunate that usually the race has run green until the end. I just don't see that kind of fortune continuing - and I have zero faith that we will come out of the pits with the lead on a late race caution.
Sorry for the rant - and HI everyone. I just don't understand that a team of this caliber can have one of the worst pit crews amongst the title contenders.
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Post by justin4 on Jun 4, 2018 2:27:12 GMT
I can’t figure out how all the top pit crew guys aren’t fighting to join the 4 team ...especially with their record since 2014
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Post by fanof4 on Jun 4, 2018 2:31:39 GMT
I can’t figure out how all the top pit crew guys aren’t fighting to join the 4 team ...especially with their record since 2014 Probably because JGR treats their pit crew EXTREMELY well. |
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Post by fanof4 on Jun 4, 2018 2:33:08 GMT
They simply aren't good enough. Every race it's the same thing. They were better overall today, but they still had one crappy pit stop where a 4 second lead became 1 second. Then the last stop - it wasn't bad, but it wasn't as good as the 18 or other cars that he barely beat out. Kevin has the best cars. He is the best driver. He has the best crew chief as far as setting up cars. But, when it comes down to 1 race at the end when the 4, 18, and 78 are all pretty close, I don't see any way the 4 wins with this pit crew, unless we get lucky and have a long green run until the end. Honestly, yes we've won a bunch of races this year. And winning those races wasn't luck - we usually had the best car. HOWEVER, in those races that we've won, we have been very fortunate that usually the race has run green until the end. I just don't see that kind of fortune continuing - and I have zero faith that we will come out of the pits with the lead on a late race caution. Sorry for the rant - and HI everyone. I just don't understand that a team of this caliber can have one of the worst pit crews amongst the title contenders. To be fair, the pit crew actually did a good job today. Their last stop was good by industry standards, but the 18 crew just busted off an incredibly fast stop. Sometimes there's just nothing you can do. Bare in mind...we've already won FIVE races this year. |
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Post by NateDoggg on Jun 4, 2018 2:58:33 GMT
They simply aren't good enough. Every race it's the same thing. They were better overall today, but they still had one crappy pit stop where a 4 second lead became 1 second. Then the last stop - it wasn't bad, but it wasn't as good as the 18 or other cars that he barely beat out. Kevin has the best cars. He is the best driver. He has the best crew chief as far as setting up cars. But, when it comes down to 1 race at the end when the 4, 18, and 78 are all pretty close, I don't see any way the 4 wins with this pit crew, unless we get lucky and have a long green run until the end. Honestly, yes we've won a bunch of races this year. And winning those races wasn't luck - we usually had the best car. HOWEVER, in those races that we've won, we have been very fortunate that usually the race has run green until the end. I just don't see that kind of fortune continuing - and I have zero faith that we will come out of the pits with the lead on a late race caution. Sorry for the rant - and HI everyone. I just don't understand that a team of this caliber can have one of the worst pit crews amongst the title contenders. To be fair, the pit crew actually did a good job today. Their last stop was good by industry standards, but the 18 crew just busted off an incredibly fast stop. Sometimes there's just nothing you can do. Bare in mind...we've already won FIVE races this year. THIS is my point though. This was a "good" day for this pit crew. And that consisted of like 6 pit stops. One of which they botched and lost 3 seconds under green. Another of which they got beat by the 18 crew AND two other crews that he barely beat off pit road. THIS is what constitutes a GOOD day for this crew. If you can't beat your competition on a "good" day, then what chance to they have on an average or below average day? |
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Post by tombo on Jun 4, 2018 3:01:29 GMT
yeah,why is the #18 crew so fast?someone needs to find out what they doin and try it.the #4 pit crew was a top 5 pit crew today but not winning pit crew and todays loss all on childers.should had pitted when he seen truex stay out....
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Post by Greg4fan on Jun 4, 2018 5:30:03 GMT
I'll be honest, I thought they did everything right today. Rodney was a little unaggressive pitting early on green flag cycles, but it still worked out. The pit crew was really good; it's not always about them, sometimes another team just out-does you, and the 18 did on the pit stop that gave him the lead. I was fine with staying out on the late caution, and it was the move that won the 78 the race, so I don't think tires would have mattered.
When you're racing two great teams in the 78 and 18, sometimes they're going to get the better of you and Harv got stuck in the wrong lane on a bunch of restarts to boot. I know we'd all liked to have crossed Pocono off the list but I have no problem with the car or what they did today.
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Post by fanof4 on Jun 4, 2018 13:13:23 GMT
yeah,why is the #18 crew so fast?someone needs to find out what they doin and try it.the #4 pit crew was a top 5 pit crew today but not winning pit crew and todays loss all on childers.should had pitted when he seen truex stay out.... Even your boy in the 18 said tires didn't matter. Whoever got out front was going to win, tires or not. MTJ was running times 2-3 tenths faster out front than the guys with newer tires. Rodney absolutely made the correct call in staying out to try to win the race. If he gets by Truex on the restart, he wins the race. |
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Post by tombo on Jun 4, 2018 13:52:20 GMT
yeah,why is the #18 crew so fast?someone needs to find out what they doin and try it.the #4 pit crew was a top 5 pit crew today but not winning pit crew and todays loss all on childers.should had pitted when he seen truex stay out.... Even your boy in the 18 said tires didn't matter. Whoever got out front was going to win, tires or not. MTJ was running times 2-3 tenths faster out front than the guys with newer tires. Rodney absolutely made the correct call in staying out to try to win the race. If he gets by Truex on the restart, he wins the race. we could go back and forth about whos right but the point is this would have been a win and if we could get back all the wins we let go over the last 3 or 4 years,yesterday would have been win #79 for harvick by my calculations........ |
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Post by NateDoggg on Jun 4, 2018 13:57:00 GMT
I'll be honest, I thought they did everything right today. Rodney was a little unaggressive pitting early on green flag cycles, but it still worked out. The pit crew was really good; it's not always about them, sometimes another team just out-does you, and the 18 did on the pit stop that gave him the lead. I was fine with staying out on the late caution, and it was the move that won the 78 the race, so I don't think tires would have mattered. When you're racing two great teams in the 78 and 18, sometimes they're going to get the better of you and Harv got stuck in the wrong lane on a bunch of restarts to boot. I know we'd all liked to have crossed Pocono off the list but I have no problem with the car or what they did today. You were fine with the one they botched under green that turned a 4 second lead into a 1 second lead? They made note of it on TV that they had trouble on one of the rear tires. Luckily we had built enough of a lead to still be ahead. And, with the last stop, it's not just the 18 that beat him. 2 other cars had better pit stops - by virtue of Kevin coming in as the leader, he was able to BARELY beat them off pit road - but our crew lost to 3 pit teams on that last stop. So with those 2 events in only 6 pit stops, you are telling me "they did everything right today?" Idk Greg - I think you are setting the bar really low for this team. |
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Post by Greg4fan on Jun 4, 2018 14:23:59 GMT
I mean my tolerance level for this pit crew is low (if they'd have fired them all after Texas I'd have probably walked down and packed their bags for them), but since then I think they've gotten better, and since we're probably stuck with them, that's all I can ask right now. Yes, it's a glaring advantage the Gibbs cars have right at this moment, but we'll just have to hope they continue to be consistent and the speed of the 4 continues to be enough to off-set it.
So I choose to save my angst over the pit crew for days they deserve it, and I don't think they did yesterday.
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Post by NateDoggg on Jun 4, 2018 14:43:13 GMT
I mean my tolerance level for this pit crew is low (if they'd have fired them all after Texas I'd have probably walked down and packed their bags for them), but since then I think they've gotten better, and since we're probably stuck with them, that's all I can ask right now. Yes, it's a glaring advantage the Gibbs cars have right at this moment, but we'll just have to hope they continue to be consistent and the speed of the 4 continues to be enough to off-set it. So I choose to save my angst over the pit crew for days they deserve it, and I don't think they did yesterday. I suppose we'll agree to disagree on this one. I feel they cost him the race yesterday. If he comes out the leader, he wins this race going away. And, again, it's not that they ONLY lost to the 18 - they also lost to TWO other teams on pit road. So, on the final most important stop of the day, you lose to THREE pit crews among the top contenders. That's simply not good enough for a championship-caliber team - and it's likely to bite them in the ass any time there is a late race caution just as it did yesterday. We've been fortunate that in most of our wins we've had long green runs until the end. |
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Post by Greg4fan on Jun 4, 2018 14:51:09 GMT
Ultimately what cost him the race was not being able to hold 2nd against the 78 on the restart after the pit stop. I know that's a real difficult position down on the inside and Blaney was as useless a pusher as he possibly could have been but that was a spot I'd have liked to have seen Kevin get pretty aggressive with Truex.
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Post by igothud on Jun 4, 2018 18:58:10 GMT
In this situation, the pit crew didn't help Kevin keep control of the race. I've seen Kevin lose a lot of races because sometime in the last half to quarter, the entire 4 team loses control of the race... bad pit... speeding... lane...lugnuts... You name it, they've done it. In this situation, the third best car won because at the right moment, they hit a home run. 2nd best car pitted when they should have stayed out... and the best car? lost control of the race, in the pits, and didn't have enough time to get it back.
lost lead in the pits = bad lane = more lost positions on track = 4 place finish!
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Post by NateDoggg on Jun 4, 2018 19:23:33 GMT
Ultimately what cost him the race was not being able to hold 2nd against the 78 on the restart after the pit stop. I know that's a real difficult position down on the inside and Blaney was as useless a pusher as he possibly could have been but that was a spot I'd have liked to have seen Kevin get pretty aggressive with Truex. No - what cost him the race is that they lost control ON PIT ROAD. Kevin said so himself. They came in first. They came out 2nd. If they had held serve on pit road, it is likely he would be won the race - because restarts amongst the strong cars always went to the leader - the only time the 2nd place car beat the leader I believe is when Kevin beat someone on 2 tires on a restart. But between the 4, 18, and 78 - whoever was restarting with the lead was going to win the race. And we lost the chance to be that car when we lost control on pit road. |
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